New oleg firmware version

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Originally Posted by Kosmotaur

Hi,
I would like to contribute to Oleg's firmware, yet I don't really know whom to turn to. I tried contacts from the Google Code site where the firmware is hosted, but no one ever replied to my email. Any help, please?
Cheers!

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lly and theMIRon are the main developers:)
Dunno what skills you have, but I guess you need knowledge of c, c++, patching stuff and linux kernel things (or something like that).

I currently write documentation on the wiki page, tho I'm not quite done yet:o

not sure what you're looking for?
but if you have patches for oleg firmware or something, and report back via e-mail or here on the forums I guess they will be happy to put it up:)
contributing can be anything, even helping people out on the forums, writing how-to's, or suggesting a feature... anything basicly :p

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Originally Posted by Kosmotaur

Hi,
I would like to contribute to Oleg's firmware, yet I don't really know whom to turn to. I tried contacts from the Google Code site where the firmware is hosted, but no one ever replied to my email. Any help, please?
Cheers!

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Unfortunately, I didn't receive any emails with contribute suggestion. Simply post it here.

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Originally Posted by lly

Unfortunately, I didn't receive any emails with contribute suggestion. Simply post it here.

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I'm no Linux 1337 hacker, yet I was thinking of improving the web UI - like totally replacing what you can see now with something much more usable and better looking.
So I'd love to put my years of experience in designing/building UI's to work and do something fancy for the firmware.

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Originally Posted by Kosmotaur

I'm no Linux 1337 hacker, yet I was thinking of improving the web UI - like totally replacing what you can see now with something much more usable and better looking.
So I'd love to put my years of experience in designing/building UI's to work and do something fancy for the firmware.

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Hi, have you any samples already or specific questions maybe? Feel free to make it work/look better, and not to break things that already done

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Originally Posted by theMIROn

Hi, have you any samples already or specific questions maybe? Feel free to make it work/look better, and not to break things that already done

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So, correct me if I'm wrong: if I spend an hour or two a weekend, and come up with something kind of complete within 2 months or so, there's a chance for it getting incorporated in the distribution?

I was thinking of how much Ext JS could make it more smooth in the first place.
Take a look if you don't know it already: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/

Please let me know what your thoughts are on this!

As to questions:
Does it work in general like so, that every change you make, you can apply, and it is remembered even if you switch views, but for it to really work, you have to restart the embedded OS?
I am thinking of doing it like this:
- resembling all views with help of a tree navigation
- all views load without in fact reloading the whole page
- all changes are held as 'pending' in a persistent panel somewhere in the UI, where you can review them, and modify
- once the user is happy with all the changes, he can then 'apply and restart'
This gives the possibility to see exactly what you have been changing in the current session, and even further modify that single property without having to go back to a particular section in the admin panel.
Saves work, is more evident, less error-prone.

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Originally Posted by Kosmotaur

I was thinking of how much Ext JS could make it more smooth in the first place.
Take a look if you don't know it already: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/

Please let me know what your thoughts are on this!

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Might I give some comments on that?:o
First of all: yes it looks very smooth and flashy, but isn't this api supposed to be placed on the router?
At the moment the entire web-gui uses a bit less than 700KB on pages and images, and because of the limited space on wl-500 models it's not quite possible to even further increase this a lot.
So, since this uses some AJAX kind of features, wouldn't it be better to make your own implementation of this? I have some AJAX code ready to go for refreshless loading of pages if you want:)

Also think of doing a sort of object like website building, so you reuse a lot of code:)

I believe one of the requirements was that it works on IE6 (I really wonder who still uses it) as well? AJAX would require special handles some times for that.

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Originally Posted by Kosmotaur

So, correct me if I'm wrong: if I spend an hour or two a weekend, and come up with something kind of complete within 2 months or so, there's a chance for it getting incorporated in the distribution?

I was thinking of how much Ext JS could make it more smooth in the first place.
Take a look if you don't know it already: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/

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I can only agree with wpte - due to strong space limitation (currently 700K pages + 120K httpd uncompressed size) and slow CPU, we have to use lightweight technologies only. Moreover, we don't want migrate to thin client technologies such as flash, silverlight, etc.

Some uncommon functions (nvram access, etc.) now performed by httpd server, designed by Broadcom+ASUS. This functionality can't be dropped...

wpte - some time ago you tell that you have some real AJAX samples?

Anyone interested in using AJAX there are some examples of it in fewgets (can be used with the router). I managed to get rid of the "AX" part though as it has some limitations (e.g. 4K limit with some browsers).
Feel free to re-use it with the firmware (I don't have enough time to make any big contribution to Oleg firmware).

Btw, stable core functionality is e.g. more preferred by me as any fancy web interface. ;)

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Originally Posted by lly

wpte - some time ago you tell that you have some real AJAX samples?

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Yes this is an example from w3schools to make a button load a other file without refreshing:
http://www.w3schools.com/ajax/tryit....=tryajax_first

As you can see, the button calls the "loadXMLDoc" function which changes the content in a div with the id "myDiv".

In my own project for uni I combined that example with a timer to continuously refresh a page without seeing the refresh:p

Ajax is easy, you just need to combine javascript and xml in a clever way:)
lot's of tutorials: http://www.w3schools.com/ajax/default.asp

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Originally Posted by lly

I can only agree with wpte - due to strong space limitation (currently 700K pages + 120K httpd uncompressed size) and slow CPU, we have to use lightweight technologies only. Moreover, we don't want migrate to thin client technologies such as flash, silverlight, etc.

Some uncommon functions (nvram access, etc.) now performed by httpd server, designed by Broadcom+ASUS. This functionality can't be dropped...

wpte - some time ago you tell that you have some real AJAX samples?

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In my design there is no (or barely any) interaction between static content serving by the router and the grand finale of a typical use case: applying the settings and restarting the router.

Static content serving isn't really demanding for the servers CPU, is it? I see it as lightweight from the server-side perspective. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The size limitation is a little bit worrying here... Were exactly does it come from? How much space do I have left if I were to code it?
Ext JS is around 500k in size, plus I estimate my code to weigh around 50k. So yeah, it's a lot, but only in terms of size, not processing.

Another way around is stripping Ext JS to only the modules really needed. I guess it would be around 50% gain. So there you have it. Using that particular library, a refreshed UI would weigh around 300k in total.
Ext JS works in all A grade browsers. Including IE6.

If this generally sucks for you, and it's an absolute no-no, I could utilize jQuery alone, and do something similar to the Transmission web client in terms of look'n'feel. It would not be as RIA-ish, but still a definite improvement to the horrible UI ASUS offers.
This solution should not exceed 100k.
Still, I'd advocate for the former solution I proposed.

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Originally Posted by wpte

wouldn't it be better to make your own implementation of this

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That's my point!
It's all about resembling the whole structure of the router configuration in JavaScript objects (ie. the structure of the website on which you change settings) instead of HTML.
Ext JS builds it's components dynamically client side basing on those objects served as static content, and in the result we get something which could in fact replace the whole original web GUI.

Ok, enough talking, fire it back at me :)

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Originally Posted by Kosmotaur

I was thinking of how much Ext JS could make it more smooth in the first place.
Take a look if you don't know it already: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/

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Hi Kosmo,
I'm using jQuery:
http://bitbucket.org/vadim/wl500-ui/.../wl-500-ui.png
You can look at source code here:
http://bitbucket.org/vadim/wl500-ui/...-accordion.asp

Hi I am using latest oleg firmware WL500W-1.9.2.7-d-r1445.trx and now WL500W-1.9.2.7-d-r1612.trx
same isue was with older build (1222 i think)
with original asus firmware was ok

my problem
when I start router - it is possible to get access via WAN into administration.
but after few days - internet goes ok, LAN is OK but it is not possible to access administration via WAN, LAN

it is looklike that acces to administration is blocked ... workaround: restarting router then all goes ok

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Originally Posted by robis

it is looklike that acces to administration is blocked ... workaround: restarting router then all goes ok

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It is a "feature" of ASUS old httpd server used for administration - in case of someone trying to connect to web-UI, second connect will be rejected, i.e. somebody tries to guess your admin password from WAN.

Will be fixed in far future.

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Originally Posted by lly

It is a "feature" of ASUS old httpd server used for administration - in case of someone trying to connect to web-UI, second connect will be rejected, i.e. somebody tries to guess your admin password from WAN.

Will be fixed in far future.

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it would be nice ... thanx man

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Originally Posted by californian

Hi Kosmo,
I'm using jQuery:
http://bitbucket.org/vadim/wl500-ui/.../wl-500-ui.png
You can look at source code here:
http://bitbucket.org/vadim/wl500-ui/...-accordion.asp

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seems as if both your urls are broken :(