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hggomes
20-02-2011, 17:32
RT-N66U
Ultra Fast Dual-band Gigabit Router

http://www.abload.de/img/rt-n66uec8p.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/rt-n66uec8p.jpg/)

Dual-band 5GHZ and 2.4GHZ speeds up to 450Mbps concurrently
Industry-leading CPU speeds at 600Mhz
Powerful online multitasking at up to 300,000 data sessions
Multi-funcionality with twin USB ports

Network Standard - IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n up to 450MBps
Ethernet Port - WAN x 1, LAN x 4 RJ-45 for 10/100/1000 Base T
Memory - 32MB Flash and 1GB DDR2 RAM

The rest you can see it at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2Ti15B_d0

With this specs i really hope that will be a BROADCOM chip :D

Update:

I think i found it: http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/53001_53003-PB00-R.pdf or maybe not, this is a Network Processor and not a WLAN.

It could be a Marvell 600Mhz cause Ralink fastest CPU is a RT3883 500Mhz, but lets wait to see it :D

Update 2:

Finally i found it, router will use BCM4706 processor and wireless BCM4331:

http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s474934
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4706

Tamadite
22-02-2011, 23:43
I read this on another forum (http://tomatousb.org/forum/t-256301/asus-rt-n76u):
=================
I contacted Asus support to have more information about the RT-N76u and here is what they told me:
"I got information from sales team that RT-N76U just change the name to RT-N66U ..."
=================

wpte
23-02-2011, 11:04
I read this on another forum (http://tomatousb.org/forum/t-256301/asus-rt-n76u):
=================
I contacted Asus support to have more information about the RT-N76u and here is what they told me:
"I got information from sales team that RT-N76U just change the name to RT-N66U ..."
=================

yes well... they always mentioned a special gaming router... and this looks just like a gaming router:p
600MHz is good news, hopefully it will actually be clocked at 600MHz and not lower due to stability issues like the RT-N16.


Update:

I think i found it: http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/p...003-PB00-R.pdf or maybe not, this is a Network Processor and not a WLAN.

It could be a Marvell 600Mhz cause Ralink fastest CPU is a RT3883 500Mhz, but lets wait to see it
It's the SOC (system on chip) with central mips core.
So what you get is what you see in the block diagram;)
so it shows you, just as usual: some different busses and connectors, build in qos and tcam and even 2 VoIP channels.
nothing wired or wireless yet:D

hggomes
23-02-2011, 13:39
That's a little weird from ASUS, RT-N76U => RT-N66U since they already announce it, but it could be. Since RT-N76U was Broadcom chip that means RT-N66U "has to be" Broadcom, i doubt its a real 600MHz cause they're chips are always underclocked so far, but 1GB RAM its really awesome :D

wpte
24-02-2011, 20:51
i doubt its a real 600MHz cause they're chips are always underclocked so far, but 1GB RAM its really awesome :D

Yes well... as far as you can clock it too 600MHz and it stays stable I'm ok with that:p
1GB is going to be a difficult upgrade... since they probably use 2 memory chips, so...:p

Tamadite
25-02-2011, 22:10
From Asus press release at CES 2011 (January 7, 2011):

==============
The RT-N66U dual-band wireless router from ASUS brings to the fore a new generation of super-fast connectivity with up to 450Mbps per band simultaneously.

This makes the RT-N66U the gamer’s choice, ...

...includes hardware NAT to alleviate overall system load by relieving the CPU of background netcode processing.
==============

Tamadite
26-02-2011, 10:39
Look at this (minute 1:14)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2Ti15B_d0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2Ti15B_d0

The specs states 1GB DDR2 RAM and 32MB flash

wpte
26-02-2011, 11:31
Look at this (minute 1:14)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2Ti15B_d0

The specs states 1GB DDR2 RAM and 32MB flash

indeed, if that's actually true, I'm impressed:p
that means no swap needed:D

I do wonder why they chose for a 600MHz cpu only. I mean, it's not by far as fast enough to save a file on the disk with 110MB/s:p

hggomes
26-02-2011, 16:25
indeed, if that's actually true, I'm impressed:p
that means no swap needed:D

I do wonder why they chose for a 600MHz cpu only. I mean, it's not by far as fast enough to save a file on the disk with 110MB/s:p

Because that way they can sell a lot of routers instead of one model only :D

hggomes
23-03-2011, 15:41
From left to the right:

Power connector, power botton, 2xUSB, ??????, 1xWAN, 4xLAN, Reset botton

I'm missing the ???????, anyone? Another USB port? (Vertical)

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/02/27/asus-had-some-of-the-best-products-at-ces/

jalyst
23-03-2011, 15:53
Maybe it's lightpeak!? jk :D

How about one of those ports used for restraining equipment (name escapes me), so it can't be pinched?

hggomes
23-03-2011, 19:36
Update 2:

Finally i found it, router will use BCM4706 processor and wireless BCM4331:

http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s474934
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4706

jalyst
23-03-2011, 20:12
Nice, much better chance of excellent support then,

Better than the ralink based N56U, which seems to be getting rudimentary support now.
But is still in a less advantaged position...

I'd still love to know what that port you pointed-out is.

wpte
23-03-2011, 21:31
I'm missing the ???????, anyone? Another USB port? (Vertical)
I love the power switch, looks a lot more rigid:)

Might be a slide switch?
or maybe something that has to do with voip?:confused:

but my best guess is a button for wps, since the other button is probably the reset button:)

hggomes
24-03-2011, 00:09
Right, it could be :-D

Estimated price: 200 dollars i think it will reach €urop€ alot more...

jalyst
24-03-2011, 06:12
How did you determine price?
And what makes you think it'll be most common in the EU?
I'd love to know what that damn button is! :)

hggomes
27-03-2011, 02:47
That was not what i ment, i was saying that will cost more money € in Europe, 200 dollars in US.

This is weird:

http://www.frequency.com/video/demo-roteador-g/2267898 (second 34)

The port does not exist on the video :-D

jalyst
27-03-2011, 06:28
weird indeed :confused:

jalyst
26-04-2011, 07:03
So is this available soon?
I'd love to know how it compares directly to the e4200 & wndr4000.
Hopefully smallnetbuilder will do a review!

wpte
27-04-2011, 01:18
So is this available soon?
I'd love to know how it compares directly to the e4200 & wndr4000.
Hopefully smallnetbuilder will do a review!

I heard some rumors it's expected in first quarter of 2012:)

jalyst
27-04-2011, 08:35
I heard some rumors it's expected in first quarter of 2012:)

You're kidding me, than doesn't sound realistic, source?

Thanks.

hggomes
27-04-2011, 13:54
Maybe not, chillout Jalyst ;)

"Spoke to Asus today, and according to them its couple of weeks for local release. So it could be end of this month or early next month."

Posted 2011-Apr-6, 2pm AEST

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1672843

jalyst
27-04-2011, 16:59
Whatever do you mean? I'm chilled! :cool:
Nice find... an Aussie forum too, all the better for me.

Thanks mate ;)

wpte
27-04-2011, 20:06
Maybe not, chillout Jalyst ;)

"Spoke to Asus today, and according to them its couple of weeks for local release. So it could be end of this month or early next month."

Posted 2011-Apr-6, 2pm AEST

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1672843

hmm, I didn't remember correctly:p

source: http://blog.asus.de/lets-rog/

And this year we will leave with fresh innovations player's heart beat faster: With the G73SW-TZ083V there is a new powerful gaming notebook in 17 "format with Intel's Core processors, the second-generation 3D capability. The mainboard Rampage III Black Edition Gamer dreams come true: Record-breaking overclocking and still quiet. The additional expansion card ROG Thunderbolt delivers superior sound quality, built-in headphone amplifier automatically optimizes the sound and the Killer ™ Network provides E2100 chip from Bigfoot Networks ™ for optimal data flow during the game. And the fastest connections when playing in the dual-band network guarantees gaming router ASUS WL-N66U.

and in the comments:

Aggi04-15-11
I am very interested from when we may expect for the RT-N66u. It would be great if I could tell someone.

Greeting Aggi

Reply

asus04-16-11
Hi Aggi, the router is unfortunately now shifted to Q3 2011th Best regards Holger

weird that the asus germany called it the WL-N66U:p

hggomes
27-04-2011, 20:15
The weird thing here is you're reading "WL-N66U" where is written "RT-N66U" from the link you supplied :D

http://blog.asus.de/lets-rog/

"Und schnellste Verbindungen beim Spielen im Netzwerk garantiert der Dual-Band-Gaming-Router ASUS RT-N66U."

Glasses? Or bad translation? ehehe


Whatever do you mean? I'm chilled! :cool:
Nice find... an Aussie forum too, all the better for me.

Thanks mate ;)

No problem ;)

wpte
27-04-2011, 22:47
The weird thing here is you're reading "WL-N66U" where is written "RT-N66U" from the link you supplied :D

http://blog.asus.de/lets-rog/

"Und schnellste Verbindungen beim Spielen im Netzwerk garantiert der Dual-Band-Gaming-Router ASUS RT-N66U."

http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.asus.de%2Flets-rog%2F
google translate:rolleyes:
Didn't want to translate it all to post here ;)

hggomes
03-08-2011, 17:12
RT-N66U Kernel version is 2.6.23, EXT4 not official supported yet, it may work... ("EXT4 was released as a functionally complete and stable filesystem in Linux 2.6.28") according to:

http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=86437&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

http://svn.dd-wrt.com/changeset/17355

The "256MB" from RT-N66U are really weird but soon we will see, i guess that's not the final product yet with 1GB annouced.

hggomes
17-08-2011, 19:03
RT-N66U - ASUSWRT - 16/08/2011

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/wireless/ASUSWRT/RT-N66U_3001_38.zip

It seems RT-N66U is coming soon :-D

wpte
17-08-2011, 23:22
RT-N66U - ASUSWRT - 16/08/2011

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/wireless/ASUSWRT/RT-N66U_3001_38.zip

It seems RT-N66U is coming soon :-D

that's still for testers/developers I guess...

hggomes
17-08-2011, 23:27
Yup. What do you think about the 1GB => 256MB ?

wpte
18-08-2011, 02:30
Yup. What do you think about the 1GB => 256MB ?

well... I'm not certain.
Perhaps asus realized that 1GB is a bit of an overkill for a router with just 600MHz cpu... Yet 128 is just plain old RT-N16 style and they notched it up to 256MB.
imho 256MB is still quite a lot for a router. I'm running so much on my rt-n16 yet I only manage to fill up 128MB of ram with a little on the swap.:p

hggomes
18-08-2011, 02:49
well... I'm not certain.
Perhaps asus realized that 1GB is a bit of an overkill for a router with just 600MHz cpu... Yet 128 is just plain old RT-N16 style and they notched it up to 256MB.
imho 256MB is still quite a lot for a router. I'm running so much on my rt-n16 yet I only manage to fill up 128MB of ram with a little on the swap.:p

Yeah 256MB it's quite alot like you said but i think we all prefeer 1GB. :D

Concerning the 600Mhz of the router, i just hope we can have a good improvement on the USB ports (transfer rate) over RT-N16, cause it's the same MIPS74K arquitecture, and i really don't know if 120MHZ are gonna make so much difference.

The router has 1GB RAM DDR2 according to ASUS, that's why im in doubt :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2Ti15B_d0 (1m15s)

wpte
18-08-2011, 15:06
Yeah 256MB it's quite alot like you said but i think we all prefeer 1GB. :D

Concerning the 600Mhz of the router, i just hope we can have a good improvement on the USB ports (transfer rate) over RT-N16, cause it's the same MIPS74K arquitecture, and i really don't know if 120MHZ are gonna make so much difference.

The router has 1GB RAM DDR2 according to ASUS, that's why im in doubt :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2Ti15B_d0 (1m15s)

True, I'd say you should expect a nice 9-10MB/s transfer speed with samba3
that's my guesstimate:p

kitus_san
19-08-2011, 20:37
Hi everyone,

If I'm not wrong, Q3 2011 seems to be the most accurate release date posted in this thread... September is getting closer and I wonder if anyone has updated information about this release.

Thanks a lot,

M

thE_29
02-09-2011, 12:45
Any updates for the router status/price/availability?

hggomes
03-09-2011, 03:20
Retailers in Europe point to October and price of 150€ plus taxes.

Omega
03-09-2011, 14:58
RT-N66U - ASUSWRT - 16/08/2011

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/wireless/ASUSWRT/RT-N66U_3001_38.zip

It seems RT-N66U is coming soon :-D
http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=235942&postcount=25 :rolleyes:

http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=234954&postcount=269 :)

http://wl500g.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=8201&stc=1&d=1311196096

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/wireless/ASUSWRT/

http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=27333 ;)

http://wl500g.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=8238&stc=1&d=1313361670

http://certifications.wi-fi.org/pdf_certificate.php?cid=WFA12169 :cool:

wpte
03-09-2011, 19:14
thanks omega for posting a summary of the russian thread here:)

quite an exiting interface:D

can't wait tbh:o

wpte
08-09-2011, 00:12
Again a new look?
http://assets.vr-zone.net/12521/P1010315.jpg
looks like 200-ish MB RAM is printed on the specs card.

also some older news I've read: http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.hardware.info%2Fnieuws%2F22444%2 Fcebit-asus-rog-router-met-streamengine

I'm sort of... confused:p
they say the rt-n66u is not going to be released in europe because it won't stand out among the competition...
instead they will be building the rt-n57u for european markets with usb 3.0:confused:
why usb3.0? current routers hardly reach 10MB/s on some protocols :p

nothinrandom
08-09-2011, 07:36
If you zoom in more, you can see that it can't be 200ish mb as there are only 3 characters. I don't think they would write down 200...200 what? First is a 2, then comes a G...then B/b. I believe this is actually 2GB of DDR2 ram.

Plazek83
22-09-2011, 19:55
Asus Germany reply that RT-N66U will be available in November... They also send me a German datasheet, you can see it here:
http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=26308&highlight=RT-N66U

I will ask them to provide an English datasheet and if I can get it, I will share here...

German Specs:

Hardware Features
Chipsatz Broadcom BCM4706 (600 MHz)
Speicher 256 MB RAM / 32 MB Flash (+ MircoSD Slot zur Aufrüstung)
LAN 4x Gigabit Ethernet
WAN 1x Gigabit Ethernet oder 3G/4G USB Stick
USB Port 2x USB2.0 für externe Festplatte, Drucker, 3G/4G Stick unterstützt bis zu 3A
Antennen 3x extern & 3x intern für 2,4G & 5GHz
Maße 350 x 270 x 150 mm
Aktive Kühlung dezenter Lüfter mit automatischer Steuerung
Schalter An/Aus, Reset und WPS

Wireless Features
Frequenzen Simultan 2.4GHz & 5GHz Datenrate 802.11n (2.4/5GHz): Bis zu 450 Mbits je Band
802.11a/g: Bis zu 54 Mbits
802.11b: Bis zu 11 Mbits
Ausgangsleistung Individuell einstellbar vom Benutzer
802.11n: 17~21 dBm
802.11a/g: 17 ~ 21 dBm
802.11b: Bis zu 23 dBm
Verschlüsselung Unterstützt 64/128-bit WEP, WPA-PSK, WPA2-PSK, WPA-Enterprise, WPA2-Enterprise
Authentifizierung Wi-Fi geschützte Installation (WPS & PIN)

Software Features
Netzwerk Protokolle Automatische IP, Statische IP, PPPoE (MPPE Unterstützung), PPTP, L2TP, IPv4, IPv6
Dynamische DNS ASUS DDNS, DynDNS, TZO, ZONEEDIT
Firewall NAT und SPI, Einbruchserkennung DoS Schutz, Port Filter, MAC Filter
Zugriffskontrolle Zeitgesteuertes WLAN Modul, MAC Filter, Netzwerkservice Filter, URL Filter
Management Web-basierende Administration Traffic Monitor Leistungstuning
Telnet Server
System Log
Betriebsmodus Router oder Accesspoint Downloadmaster Unterstützt BT, NZB, HTTP, FTP Downloads
- Unterstützt Verschlüsselung, DHT, PEX und Magnet Link
- Upload und Download Bandbreitenkontrolle
- Download Zeitplanung
DLNA Server Bilder: JPEG
Audio: MP3, WMA, WAV, PCM, MP4, LPCM,OGG
Video: ASF, AVI, DIVX, MP2P, MPEG, MPG, TS, VOB, WMV, MKV, MOV
Print Server Unterstützung Multifunktionsgeräte, Drucker und Scanner
File Server Samba Server & FTP Server mit Account Management
VPN Server PPTP VPN Server
Gästenetzwerk Bis zu 3 Gästenetzwerke je Frequenzband mit zeitgesteuerter Zugangskontrolle
Sonstiges Wandhalterung

wpte
22-09-2011, 21:10
Thanks for the info Plazek83:)

I guess an english version is not required, a quick google translate makes it very well readable for anyone;)

Hardware Features
Broadcom BCM4706 chipset (600 MHz)
Memory 256 MB RAM / 32 MB Flash (+ mircoSD slot for upgrading)
4x LAN Gigabit Ethernet
WAN 1x Gigabit Ethernet or 3G/4G USB flash drive
2x USB2.0 USB port for external hard drive, printer, 3G/4G stick supports up to 3A
3x 3x External & internal antennas for 2.4 G & 5GHz
Dimensions 350 x 270 x 150 mm
Active cooling fan with decent automatic control
Switch On / Off, Reset and WPS

Wireless Features
2.4GHz & 5GHz frequencies simultaneous data rate of 802.11n (2.4/5GHz): Up to 450 Mbits per band
802.11a / g: Up to 54 Mbits
802.11b: Up to 11 Mbits
Individually selectable user output
802.11g: 17 ~ 21 dBm
802.11a / g: 17 ~ 21 dBm
802.11b: Up to 23 dBm
Supports 64/128-bit WEP encryption, WPA-PSK, WPA2-PSK, WPA-Enterprise, WPA2-Enterprise
Authentication, Wi-Fi Protected Setup (WPS & PIN)

Software Features
Network Protocols Automatic IP, Static IP, PPPoE (MPPE supported), PPTP, L2TP, IPv4, IPv6
ASUS DDNS Dynamic DNS, DynDNS, TZO, ZoneEdit
NAT and SPI firewall, intrusion detection, DoS protection, port filtering, MAC filtering
Scheduled WLAN access control module, MAC filtering, network service filter, URL filter
Management Web-based administration traffic monitor performance tuning
Telnet Server
System Log
Mode router or access point Supports BT download master, NZB, HTTP, FTP downloads
- Supports encryption, DHT, PEX and Magnet Link
- Upload and download bandwidth control
- Download scheduling
DLNA server images: JPEG
Audio: MP3, WMA, WAV, PCM, MP4, LPCM, OGG
Video: ASF, AVI, DIVX, MP2P, MPEG, MPG, TS, VOB, WMV, MKV, MOV
Print server support multi-function devices, printers and scanners
File Server FTP Server & Samba server with account management
VPN server PPTP VPN server
Guest Network Up to 3 guests per frequency band networks with time-controlled access control
Other Wall Bracket

quite an impressive specs list.
I hope things like guest networks can also be implemented in oleg one day:D

hggomes
22-09-2011, 21:12
ASUS announced a product with 1GB RAM and releases it with 3 times less. That's really awesome, not!

Or maybe they're going release 2 products:

RT-N66U => 256MB
RT-N66U Dark Knight => 1GB

Who knows?

wpte
23-09-2011, 22:26
http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=235942&postcount=25 :rolleyes:

http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=234954&postcount=269 :

wait a second... omega, in the Russian thread, you posted this: http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=237534&postcount=38
do you mean there is a stylish "black diamond" and a ROG gamers version of the rt-n66u?

So...
Maybe the black diamond version has only 256MB ram, and the hardcore ROG version 1GB?:confused:
or is google translate confusing me?:D


edit:

ASUS announced a product with 1GB RAM and releases it with 3 times less. That's really awesome, not!

Or maybe they're going release 2 products:

RT-N66U => 256MB
RT-N66U Dark Knight => 1GB

Who knows?
what he said :D

hggomes
27-09-2011, 15:00
The value of it is too high in my opinion, i guess i will wait until a price drop.

ASUS RT-N66U ULTRA-THIN ROUTER, 802.11A/B/G/N, DUAL BAND SUPPORT [RT-N66U] - 239.56$

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=35647

Just to compare:

ASUS RT-N16 MULTI-FUNCTIONAL GIGABIT WIRELESS N ROUTER WITH STORAGE, PRINTER, MEDIA SERVER [RT-N16] - 94.22$

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=23104

wpte
27-09-2011, 20:09
The value of it is too high in my opinion, i guess i will wait until a price drop.

ASUS RT-N66U ULTRA-THIN ROUTER, 802.11A/B/G/N, DUAL BAND SUPPORT [RT-N66U] - 239.56$

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=35647

That's around 172.74 euro...
In the beginning the RT-N16 had the same price pretty much:)

hggomes
27-09-2011, 21:35
Noup, 239$ when it comes to europe it stays almost the same price 239€ ~ with taxes, convert 94.22$ from the RT-N16 and see how many € are, 69€ can you buy it that price? No you can't :D RT-N16 costs in Europe 100€ ~

RT-N66U will cost more than 200€ i bet 220-230€ :D

wpte
27-09-2011, 22:00
Noup, 239$ when it comes to europe it stays almost the same price 239€ ~ with taxes, convert 94.22$ from the RT-N16 and see how many € are, 69€ can you buy it that price? No you can't :D RT-N16 costs in Europe 100€ ~

RT-N66U will cost more than 200€ i bet 220-230€ :D

RT-N16 is 82,90 euro at the moment over here, and they have been lower in the past:)

hggomes
27-09-2011, 22:09
RT-N16 is 82,90 euro at the moment over here, and they have been lower in the past:)

Anyway 82.90 is not 69€ bahh. You will see when it come out don't expect less than 200€. RT-N16 has a great price in your country, are you talking about store or retailer? Where you buy that price? Here the lowest price is 94€, like i said before is the same as 94 dolars. It was always like that, at least in my country.

wpte
27-09-2011, 22:58
Anyway 82.90 is not 69€ bahh. You will see when it come out don't expect less than 200€. RT-N16 has a great price in your country, are you talking about store or retailer? Where you buy that price? Here the lowest price is 94€, like i said before is the same as 94 dolars. It was always like that, at least in my country.

true, but it's not that much more;)

I primarily use this dutch site when buying computer parts. not only they have news and a forum, they also have a pricewatch. many webshops are signed up with it since its also a very good way to make money themselves:p

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/242860/asus-rt-n16.html

it's the biggest tech site in the Netherlands, and every month they get 3.5 million unique visits, from a country that has only ~16 million people:p

hggomes
27-09-2011, 23:10
Yeah i we have a site like that here too, its a price compare web site.

I don't know if you noticed this "ASUS RT-N66U ==> ULTRA-THIN <== ROUTER, maybe this is the "other" RT-N66U and price either. :D

What would be you guess about the price of it then?

wpte
27-09-2011, 23:29
Yeah i we have a site like that here too, its a price compare web site.

I don't know if you noticed this "ASUS RT-N66U ==> ULTRA-THIN <== ROUTER, maybe this is the "other" RT-N66U and price either. :D

What would be you guess about the price of it then?

Sounds like a black diamon version?:o
dunno

I mean these prices are just from sites that can pretty much ask anything for it because they know people want it:p
In the end, I do expect it to be around 150 euro for a start, the black diamond one.

The ROG label makes everything more expensive tho. Still there is no info about the actual perks of getting an ROG version. (apart from the 1GB ram guess)
It might be even possible that asus is giving us 2 designs to choose from:confused:
who knows:p

hggomes
17-10-2011, 03:44
Here's some pics:

http://klseet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=114&Itemid=105

wpte
18-10-2011, 14:17
Here's some pics:

http://klseet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=114&Itemid=105

It's black actually:p
No way I believe those presentations sheets with the troughputs:D
Anyway, on the bottom of the post it says it will be released 11th of december :(

hggomes
18-10-2011, 22:53
Awesome pictures:

http://vr-zone.com/articles/exclusive-preview-of-asus-rt-n66u-dark-knight-dual-band-router/13760.html

http://forums.vr-zone.com/networking-broadband/1755338-sneak-peek-asus-rt-n66u-black-knight.html

Now the router has 128MB great :D Maybe when it comes out has 64MB... LOL

First tests:

with beta firmware:
LAN to WAN - 510mbps
WAN to LAN - 548mbps
2.4ghz down - 56mbps
5ghz down - 89mbps
no time to test vpn

What a disapointment, RT-N56U has almost the double benchmarking with Ralink CPU 500MHZ or even Linksys E4200 with same same CPU from RT-N16 (BCM4718), weird stuff. :S

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/31436-asus-rt-n56u-black-diamond-dual-band-gigabit-wireless-n-router-reviewed?showall=&start=1

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/31399-cisco-linksys-e4200-maximum-performance-wireless-n-router-reviewed?showall=&start=2

wpte
19-10-2011, 00:12
well... it's still beta firmware.
according to the broadcom specs the hardware nat should be able to reach ~900mbits
wifi sounds solid.
lol, and that fan is just epic:D

dd-wrt developers still confirm it's 256MB ram tho:rolleyes:

hggomes
19-10-2011, 00:28
well... it's still beta firmware.
according to the broadcom specs the hardware nat should be able to reach ~900mbits
wifi sounds solid.
lol, and that fan is just epic:D

dd-wrt developers still confirm it's 256MB ram tho:rolleyes:

It could be but, RT-N16 is not BETA and the performance its alot worse than E4200 or even E3200 (same hardware but with less RAM) :S So...

And according to the Broadcom CPUs work at xxx Mhz and at the end they are always capped / slower frequency.

wpte
19-10-2011, 01:14
It could be but, RT-N16 is not BETA and the performance its alot worse than E4200 or even E3200 (same hardware but with less RAM) :S So...

They have different kernels and drivers...
TheMir0n also worked on something called FastNat (originally made by broadcom). It speeds up the lan-wan a lot: http://code.google.com/p/wl500g/wiki/News

fast-nat module (originally from Broadcom, use 'nvram set misc_fastnat_x=0' to disable it)
it has some compatebility issues tho, but most of them should be fixed

wpte
19-10-2011, 14:17
The RT-N66U also appeared on icecat: http://www.icecat.nl/index.cgi?language=nl&lookup_text=rt-n66u
Only the logistical data has been imported.
Funny thing is that a dutch shop sells it for 135 euro: https://maxict.nl/product/3288267/asus-wl-router-asus-rt-n66u-n900-router-450mbit-gigabit
That online shop is considered to be relative expensive (averagely) compared to other stores here:p
Going to ask them when they expect it to arrive:)

hggomes
19-10-2011, 16:51
http://forums.vr-zone.com/networking-broadband/1755338-sneak-peek-asus-rt-n66u-black-knight.html

mine fw ver: 3.0.0.2.52
connect via serial@115200
Quote:
/ # cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 255416 kB
MemFree: 220668 kB
Buffers: 4304 kB
Cached: 13240 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 7748 kB
Inactive: 13348 kB
HighTotal: 131072 kB
HighFree: 109844 kB
LowTotal: 124344 kB
LowFree: 110824 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Dirty: 0 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 3560 kB
Mapped: 3276 kB
Slab: 7984 kB
SReclaimable: 904 kB
SUnreclaim: 7080 kB
PageTables: 376 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 127708 kB
Committed_AS: 9604 kB
VmallocTotal: 1015800 kB
VmallocUsed: 4760 kB
VmallocChunk: 1009088 kB
Quote:
/ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
system type : Broadcom BCM5300 chip rev 1 pkg 0
processor : 0
cpu model : MIPS 74K V4.9
BogoMIPS : 299.82 => ?!!?!?!!
wait instruction : no
microsecond timers : yes
tlb_entries : 64
extra interrupt vector : no
hardware watchpoint : yes
ASEs implemented : mips16 dsp
shadow register sets : 1
VCED exceptions : not available
VCEI exceptions : not available

unaligned_instructions : 2
dcache hits : 2147483648
dcache misses : 4245397407
icache hits : 2147483648
icache misses : 734764798
instructions : 2147483648
Quote:
/ # uname -a
Linux (none) 2.6.22.19 #304 PREEMPT Wed Sep 21 19:18:57 CST 2011 mips GNU/Linux
Quote:
/ # cat /proc/partitions
major minor #blocks name

31 0 256 mtdblock0
31 1 32384 mtdblock1
31 2 18178 mtdblock2
31 3 13184 mtdblock3
31 4 128 mtdblock4
/ # [1:init_main +625] main loop signal/state=14
[1:init_main +932] main loop signal/state=14
[1:init_main +1239] main loop signal/state=14

wpte
19-10-2011, 20:42
BogoMIPS : 299.82 => ?!!?!?!!

BogoMIPS means nothing comparing to other cpu's...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips

It is not usable for performance comparison between different CPUs


MemTotal: 255416 kB
happy?:D

hggomes
19-10-2011, 20:45
I know that but kernel version should be different and im haf happy about it, i'm waiting for USB transfer rate to answer you that question :D



MemTotal: 255416 kB
happy?:D

I was more if was 1GB :D

I guess RT-N57U is gonna even a better waiting.

wpte
20-10-2011, 17:15
sooo the guy from the dutch store told me RT-N66U is available in 10-14 days according to the supplier:D

wpte
21-10-2011, 17:00
I managed to get it into the dutch price compare site: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/293777/asus-asus-rt-66u-gigabit-n900-dualband-wireless-lan-router-450-mbps-(rt-n66u).html#tab:prices
downside is... only the expensive shops are visible at this moment:p

hggomes
21-10-2011, 21:48
I managed to get it into the dutch price compare site: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/293777/asus-asus-rt-66u-gigabit-n900-dualband-wireless-lan-router-450-mbps-(rt-n66u).html#tab:prices
downside is... only the expensive shops are visible at this moment:p

Is 135€ the lowest price in your country?

wpte
21-10-2011, 23:46
Is 135€ the lowest price in your country?

as far as I know... yes:)
I expect that other shops will be included into the indexing next week or something

hggomes
23-10-2011, 07:29
RT-N66U may not have a BCM4706 but a BCM5300(3) instead, looking to these linux line:

system type: Broadcom BCM5300 chip rev 1 pkg 0

http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/53001_53003-PB00-R.pdf

hggomes
31-10-2011, 20:51
RT-N66U should perform almost the same since HW specs are almost the same.

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/31603-netgear-wndr4500-n900-wireless-dual-band-gigabit-router-reviewed

USB transfer could be better, but we will see it soon. :D

wpte
31-10-2011, 21:17
Looks good to me.
I'm impressed by the wifi speeds:)

and to be honest... 11MB/s isn't that bad either. What I want to see is the EXT3 performance tho, it's more lightweight I guess.
So far the speed still slightly topped over my expectations, so I can't wait:)
Seems like the supplier was wrong about the release date tho, the stores still say 1-2 weeks after 1-2 weeks:(

hggomes
31-10-2011, 21:19
:D Yesterday i've seen the prices on your country and they're far from 135€, it was a typo?

wpte
31-10-2011, 21:43
:D Yesterday i've seen the prices on your country and they're far from 135€, it was a typo?

no... only 2 stores of... like I dunno, a lot have been indexed:p
the cheapest I've seen so far is still 135 euro including VAT/TAX:)

wpte
03-11-2011, 14:27
I mailed the store again, since I want router:mad:
aaaaand they say it should be at the supplier on 6-11-2011... well not a big delay which I feared, so I guess other stores in europe will start selling the rt-n66u soon as well:)

hggomes
04-11-2011, 00:52
I will wait for your bought, after i see the results with USB transfer rate i will decide :D I just don't want to expend 150-200€ on a router that only transfer more 2-3mb/s than my RT-N16, i don't need 5GHZ wireless so...

Well in reality RT-N66U is just to "play with" because with that money i could buy other ATOM board and transform it in a wireless router :D

wpte
04-11-2011, 11:36
I will wait for your bought, after i see the results with USB transfer rate i will decide :D I just don't want to expend 150-200€ on a router that only transfer more 2-3mb/s than my RT-N16, i don't need 5GHZ wireless so...

Well in reality RT-N66U is just to "play with" because with that money i could buy other ATOM board and transform it in a wireless router :D

Yes well... it won't be running oleg the first day I guess. lly and themir0n have started working on it for a few weeks now already tho:)

true true, get an atom board of 50 euro, get an extra ethernet adapter to hook up to a switch and you're pretty much done.
But, I doubt an atom is able to reach proper wireless speeds. I've an asus 1215n with an atom D525 (the crème de la crème of atoms pretty much) and the pci-e bus to my intel ultimate-n 6300agn card is just too slow, cpu reaches to the top and I'm only able to reach a fraction of the speed I could get with that wireless card:p
On wired speeds it will be allright for sure but you'll always have the higher energy costs:)

hggomes
09-11-2011, 16:19
I guess that depends, im using a Atheros Mini-PCI Express on my Atom Router and its running just fine in range and speed. If you use the same chip of a router i guess it dont make a difference on a ATOM.

!gm
17-11-2011, 01:14
Preview with PCB and WebIF Photos

http://vr-zone.com/articles/exclusive-preview-of-asus-rt-n66u-dark-knight-dual-band-router/13760.html

(and horrible RAM confusion-discussion)

hggomes
17-11-2011, 01:17
You should read older posts :D

http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=25929&page=5

!gm
17-11-2011, 15:44
whooops :)

to much atom-stuff from you and wtpe in here - hehe

hggomes
23-11-2011, 13:52
Interesting part is it's power supply:
19V / 1.58A

http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=86437&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&sid=74b586da4f208ff23c1e3a7907c9e7fa

I cannot believe this router has a power consumption of 30W (not even a ATOM complete system consumes that), its another interesting point to test / measure.

hggomes
08-12-2011, 02:41
Finally :D

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=975566&fcc_id='MSQ-RTN66U'

wpte
08-12-2011, 11:19
Finally :D

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=975566&fcc_id='MSQ-RTN66U'

good stuff:D
the downside is that a very small shipment will be available this month, and real shipment begins next month...
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/17949244-post2.html
according to docter asus at least:

Hello koaschten,
the RT-N66U should be available in January. It is rumored that a small delivery will arrive mid-December (!). There are no details on the "RT-N76U" yet.

greeting
doctor

!gm
08-12-2011, 13:24
Finally :D

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=975566&fcc_id='MSQ-RTN66U'

instead of radio frequencies, they should measure the USB-Speed :D

hggomes
08-12-2011, 16:35
instead of radio frequencies, they should measure the USB-Speed :D

Couldn't agree more. :D

wpte
15-12-2011, 16:06
Couldn't agree more. :D

in that case, to keep both german and english thread synced a bit...:D
!gm asked der Doktor Asus(:D) what the speeds are:

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/18065931-post14.html

he says the micro sd card slot can handle SD high capacity cards up to 8GB. The router has to be opened up to access it, there's no way to access it from the outside.

I guess the speeds are pretty obvious...

In that case I hope there's no warranty seal:D

!gm
15-12-2011, 16:32
hehe thx bro ;)

but I'm unsatisfied with his answer...
SD cards and readers are specified in classes according to their maximum write speed.

The plan is to buy a UHS-I SDHC Card to gather faster access, than the provided USB-Transfer speeds. Especially for webservers, swapping etc.

The harddrive would only be needed to store media, not programs anymore. This would save energy and (depending of your HDD) noise. :D

If it will support Class 10 - the thing will still be ok...

wpte
15-12-2011, 17:10
np lol:p


swapping etc.

watch out there... it's still flash memory;)

Omega
18-12-2011, 04:23
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Gigabit Router Preview (Final Retail Revision) (http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-rt-n66u-dual-band-gigabit-router-preview-final-retail-revision-/14242.html)
http://limages.vr-zone.net/body/14242/P1020671.jpg.jpeg (http://assets.vr-zone.net/14242/P1020671.jpg)
JTAG + UART

http://limages.vr-zone.net/body/14242/P1020672.jpg.jpeg (http://assets.vr-zone.net/14242/P1020672.jpg)
MicroSD (SDHC 8GB) slot for memory expansion

http://limages.vr-zone.net/body/14242/P1020673.jpg.jpeg (http://assets.vr-zone.net/14242/P1020673.jpg)
SPANSION S29GL256P10TFI01 256MB 3V Flash Memory

http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=27333&page=5 ;)

!gm
18-12-2011, 12:03
NO FAN!!!!!


PAAAAAARTY :eek: :D :cool:

hggomes
18-12-2011, 14:06
http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-rt-n66u-dual-band-gigabit-router-preview-final-retail-revision-/14242.html

BLUE and NO FAN = Awesome :D

wpte
18-12-2011, 14:11
BLUE and NO FAN = Awesome :D

I WANT MY FAN BACK!:mad:

hggomes
18-12-2011, 14:12
FAN? What for? Annoying sounds and extra power consumption? No way ;)
Sorry to tell but this revision its much better :P

theMIROn
18-12-2011, 14:22
FAN? What for? Annoying sounds and extra power consumption? No way ;)
Sorry to tell but this revision its much better :P

Yep, agree :)

hggomes
19-12-2011, 14:41
Back to topic, do you know when stores there will having stock?

wpte
19-12-2011, 14:50
Back to topic, do you know when stores there will having stock?

January I guess...
like the 2nd week of January sounds pretty good, I mean... if they have the final product ready;)

hggomes
19-12-2011, 15:15
January I guess...
like the 2nd week of January sounds pretty good, I mean... if they have the final product ready;)

Ok, thanks. I hope FW will be available soon too ;)

Do you think the router will consume 30W? I wanna think they have leave a big margin for the PSU, its a lot power to just one router.

wpte
19-12-2011, 15:31
Ok, thanks. I hope FW will be available soon too ;)

Do you think the router will consume 30W? I wanna think they have leave a big margin for the PSU, its a lot power to just one router.

hmm... well the cpu won't eat that much...
I guess it's mainly for usb devices, just to be sure.

or maybe it's because of those 2 super high power radios they have:D

!gm
24-12-2011, 12:27
the preview on vz-zone was removed. I just saved the images, before they are gone as well

http://www.multiupload.com/Q0IZBKQ9LU

http://www.abload.de/img/rt-n66u_thumbc4qx6.jpg

hggomes
24-12-2011, 14:35
Yes, i noticed that too yesterday i don't know why but i may guess. FCCID confidenciality document was out until 15 January and VR-Zone released those photos. ;) Thanks :D

Omega
26-12-2011, 01:15
ASUS RT-N66U B1 Firmware version 3.0.0.3.72
The first version of firmware for ASUS RT-N66U B1
18.05 (MBytes) 2011/12/22

ASUS RT-N66U B1 GPL for Firmware version 3.0.0.3.72
340 (MBytes) 2011/12/22
http://support.asus.com.tw/download/download.aspx?product=11&model=RT-N66U%20(VER.B1)&SLanguage=ru-ru&os=8

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=RT-N66U+(VER.B1)&board_id=11

http://service.asus.com/demoui/RT-N66U/RT-N66U/RT-N66U/192.168.1.1/index.html ;)

hggomes
27-12-2011, 00:08
15 January is the delivery date in my country :confused:

hggomes
02-01-2012, 02:13
Retail unpacking:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba1qKZwhvLA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba1qKZwhvLA

pakiboy
04-01-2012, 03:25
i cant wait for this to be released in US. would love to see more updates here.

!gm
08-01-2012, 19:25
the swedish user geraner, known for the unboxing video, shared his experiences with the webif.

It seems that there are bugs, if you change the language to english...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JB2CSK9SEA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JB2CSK9SEA

hggomes
09-01-2012, 13:43
Thanks, the good part is that most of us will not use stock FW, so that's not a issue :D


the swedish user geraner, known for the unboxing video, shared his experiences with the webif.

It seems that there are bugs, if you change the language to english...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JB2CSK9SEA

wpte
09-01-2012, 22:33
seems like a lot of shops have routers in stock in the US.
just search with google shopping.

I'm not going to order tho, they have weird warrenty shizzle.
Standard 2 year European warranty sounds better to me:cool:

!gm
10-01-2012, 00:08
I will also wait some time..

look the dropping price in the first month, the RT-N56U was available (here in Germany)

http://geizhals.at/de/?phist=593815&age=9999

edit: VR-Zone Article is online again

aum1547
10-01-2012, 00:54
i cant wait for this to be released in US. would love to see more updates here.

Available in US since December 29, 2011 - where else but amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-N-Extreme-Coverage-Support-RT-N66U/dp/B006QB1RPY/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1326152420&sr=1-1

wpte
13-01-2012, 00:22
aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnndddddd we have a product page: http://www.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTN66U/
:D
it should be close:eek:

!gm
13-01-2012, 13:11
yesterday, this page was full of RT-N16 texts :D

haha and its still is: http://www.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTN66U/#features

wpte
16-01-2012, 21:39
JJ (someone from asus) is also reviewing the router:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYCnyOb5O4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYCnyOb5O4c

Mind that JJ can be a little incorrect (telling a prettier story than the reality)
on technical stuff now and then... he's a bit of a marketing man I guess:D

hggomes
16-01-2012, 21:51
Thanks. Ahahahahha "We can get 20mb/s Read and Write performance" (17m16s) I doubt it, maybe he is confusing with new Linksys E4200 V2 with Marvell CPU at 1.2GHZ :P

wpte
16-01-2012, 22:00
Thanks. Ahahahahha "We can get 20mb/s Read and Write performance" (17m16s) I doubt it, maybe he is confusing with new Linksys E4200 V2 with Marvell CPU at 1.2GHZ :P

Either way that's a lie, or they've changed some stuff... perhaps a separate usb controller?:p

hggomes
16-01-2012, 22:02
If they changed anything on the unit people who buy it would have 20mb/s benchmarks instead 11-15mb/s ;)

Router is the same for everyone, i guess...

wpte
16-01-2012, 22:08
If they changed anything on the unit people who buy it would have 20mb/s benchmarks instead 11-15mb/s ;)

Router is the same for everyone, i guess...

I guess... but it could be, they've also removed the fan.
In the end, the 200-300mbit/s speeds of wireless are also a tiny bit exaggerated.:D

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35748&postcount=52 just sayin'
and this is not even EXT3! :D

hggomes
16-01-2012, 22:10
I guess... but it could be, they've also removed the fan.
In the end, the 200-300mbit/s speeds of wireless are also a tiny bit exaggerated.:D

I think he wanna to say 200-300MBIT :D

You can read my comment on the video, if you wanna reforce idea :P

!gm
17-01-2012, 00:43
Lets hope his statements about the "specialized internal power-design" @3:03 are correct - the main thing I care about this is what "specialized" means. It still is USB 2.0 certified, right?

Well actually wireless transmission rate and wireless throughput differ due to technical reasons. They are advertising the router with 450 MBit/s. Thats the max. transmission rate you can get with 3 streams. The real throughput will be around 180 MBit/s. Think of overhead and stuff...

If the wireless client can only handle two streams, you'll just get 300 MBit/s transmission rate and around 120 MBit/s throughput. :)

Do you agree?
Source (german): http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites/net/1102071.htm

wpte
17-01-2012, 13:34
Lets hope his statements about the "specialized internal power-design" @3:03 are correct - the main thing I care about this is what "specialized" means. It still is USB 2.0 certified, right?

Well actually wireless transmission rate and wireless throughput differ due to technical reasons. They are advertising the router with 450 MBit/s. Thats the max. transmission rate you can get with 3 streams. The real throughput will be around 180 MBit/s. Think of overhead and stuff...

If the wireless client can only handle two streams, you'll just get 300 MBit/s transmission rate and around 120 MBit/s throughput. :)

Do you agree?
Source (german): http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites/net/1102071.htm

specialized design probably means a better power supply, so that harddrives can run directly on the router.

Yes I know that it's theoretical speed, but 200-300mbit/s seem very high. I guess that it's possible if you combine the speeds of both 2.4 and 5.2GHz but they can't be connected to at the same time by most wireless clients. So you'll end up with a basic 100 to 200mbit/s depending on the signal strenght and noise.
On that site they're also quite optimistic about speeds;)

wpte
17-01-2012, 22:12
got some exiting screenshots from asus!
upload: http://i.imgur.com/DRNUm.jpg
download: http://i.imgur.com/Mfx03.png

wireless stuff:
http://i.imgur.com/SifpE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/h1MX8.jpg

good to be fan of the asus facebook page:)

hggomes
17-01-2012, 22:49
If i were you i wouldn't believe those kind of "benchmarks" at first sight, windows measures are always that way at the beginning it shows high transfers and then it starts dropping the transfer rate, and if you noticed those screen shoots were taken at beginning of transfer ;)

I can do the same with RT-N16, transfer start at more than 20mb/s and then it goes to 7mb/s, nothing compared ah? I would believe it if measured with teracopy for example. ;)

With this im not telling that is not true, what im saying is that probably it isn't accurate ;)

If those measures are correct than it means ftp and http transfer rates would be similar and that would be awesome, crossing fingers.

wpte
17-01-2012, 23:13
I can do the same with RT-N16, transfer start at more than 20mb/s and then it goes to 7mb/s, nothing compared ah? I would believe it if measured with teracopy for example. ;)

yeah, dunno... for me windows 7 first thinks it's low speed and then it increases...
what about the intel nas performance toolkit: http://www.intel.com/products/server/storage/NAS_Perf_Toolkit.htm ;)
ah well asus marketing team is running like an oiled machine anyway:D

!gm
18-01-2012, 02:47
The question is, why are there two screenshot-files of the write performance on the desktop at the second read-screenshot? ;)

I guess the first was taken after a while, where hggomes said, the speed dropped.

Then they retook the write-screenshot and the read-screenshot right after the start. :D

greets Mr. Sherlock

hggomes
19-01-2012, 06:17
D.i.t.t.o :D


The question is, why are there two screenshot-files of the write performance on the desktop at the second read-screenshot? ;)

I guess the first was taken after a while, were hggomes said, the speed dropped.

Then they retook the write-screenshot and the read-screenshot right after the start. :D

greets Mr. Sherlock

bigphantom
19-01-2012, 20:35
ASUS RT-N66U Dual-Band Router Hands-on Review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYCnyOb5O4c

wpte
19-01-2012, 20:52
ASUS RT-N66U Dual-Band Router Hands-on Review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYCnyOb5O4c

yeah, posted 14 posts ago:D

kitus_san
19-01-2012, 21:48
Hello there,

I've been considering this router and also Mikrotik RB751G. I recently asked about a comparison between both and I got this response:


comparison is similar like supermarket trolley compared to military hummer

Routerboard is powered by a professional RouterOS operating system, which has thousands of functions, and is running global networks. It is the same OS that's running our high end devices, and has the same functionality.

The Asus device is a home router with a few functions. It's performance is lower and functionality very limited.

Of course, many functions also means steep learning curve, but once you master RouterOS, you have full control and very much power.

What is your opinion?

wpte
19-01-2012, 22:12
all the features of RouterOS... let's call it linux, because it is linux. oleg, which is going to support the new asus router also happens to be linux, like most routers these days all run linux.

Mikrotik... this one: http://routerboard.com/RB751G-2HnD ?
has also a mipsel cpu, 200MHz lower than the rt-n66u. so yeah, Mikrotik will be slower.
Also only 64MB ram while asus has 256MB ram...

they are right about the standard firmware tho... sure it's limited, but install any alternative firmware and you're as free as any router of Mikrotik.

which one is the hummer now?:D
I mean... routers can go as wild as you want, you can build them yourself with a lot more juice, but this RT-N66u sure looks good for a consumer router.

hggomes
19-01-2012, 22:46
Couldn't agree more, @kitus_san: let me guess who answered that question?!?? Mikrotik?? :D

If you were talking about a Routerboard RB1100AH with Cavium > 1GHZ CPU then it's another story, now a Atheros 400MHZ its not camparable to RT-N66U.

wpte
22-01-2012, 15:50
apparently hardware.info (a dutch computer related website) has some test results:confused:
http://nl.hardware.info/productinfo/130513/asus-rt-n66u#tab:testresultaten

the router uses around 10-11W, just like the netgear N900. the wan-lan and lan-wan speeds are pretty much the same.

The wifi speeds are however a lot faster on the rt-n66u:)
with a WLAN to LAN performance of 229Mbit/s over 5GHz with an intel Centrino 6300agn card:D
no idea where they've got these results from tho:rolleyes:

hggomes
23-01-2012, 02:01
I'm still waiting for a decent USB transfer rate test :)

wpte
23-01-2012, 16:46
I'm still waiting for a decent USB transfer rate test :)

You don't believe the 20MB/s :p
I agree... why doesn't someone do a decent test, with a fast drive attached, on ext3 and copy them filez:cool:

hggomes
23-01-2012, 16:48
You don't believe the 20MB/s :p
I agree... why doesn't someone do a decent test, with a fast drive attached, on ext3 and copy them filez:cool:

I have comment on Facebook ASUS page and not a single reply, i wonder why ;)

wpte
23-01-2012, 16:51
I have comment on Facebook ASUS page and not a single reply, i wonder why ;)

Yes I see!:D
asus is usually a bit slow on giving a response...:)

wpte
23-01-2012, 22:01
ok, about that site I've mentioned before.
they've actually made those tests themselves, and they released a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SnmmuDcvb8

it's in dutch, and imho... it's a lot mumbo jumbo...
first of all they say that asus always had poor network products (mainly because of the firmware) compared to other routers... seriously?:mad:

then the guy starts a whole story about that 5GHz is amazing but isn't fitted in every laptop... uhu, but I don't need almost 2 minutes to tell you about it:D
it wasn't even about the router anymore:D

but yeah, in the end there's nothing new shown in the video:o

!gm
24-01-2012, 01:34
ok, about that site I've mentioned before.
they've actually made those tests themselves, and they released a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SnmmuDcvb8


saw this last noon... and a second unboxing video too - both really full of trash and duplicate content :o (don't have the feeling sharing it here)

I mean, the unboxing guy compares the size of the antennas with that ones of a D-Link router - pffff

If I had the router you'll get a video, how to use the MicroSD Slot and whether it is working under stockFW !

wpte
24-01-2012, 02:15
If I had the router you'll get a video, how to use the MicroSD Slot and whether it is working under stockFW !

haha, you'd make a lot of people happy with that:D

ArCan
24-01-2012, 05:10
... compares the size of the antennas with that ones ...
Yes, I think much important to have better antenna that more output power of router's transmitter.
And when somebody speaks about good signal around
in the first it the antenna's job...
Better to have 40mW with good antenna
that to have 600mw with poor antenna.

Seems to me RT-N66U has anteenas with good specification.
IMHO

!gm
24-01-2012, 14:07
you're right.
But only from the outside of an antenna you can't deduce how much metal it contains, to transmit. There are several cases, where the manufacturers build huge plastic-antennas containing a little 1cm long cable. In comparison the ouput-power of a outwards smaller-looking antenna was higher.

That means to me, that visual comparisons are useless (unless we'll slice it - but who wants to do this?). :cool:

wpte
24-01-2012, 14:34
you're right.
But only from the outside of an antenna you can't deduce how much metal it contains, to transmit. There are several cases, where the manufacturers build huge plastic-antennas containing a little 1cm long cable. In comparison the ouput-power of a outwards smaller-looking antenna was higher.

That means to me, that visual comparisons are useless (unless we'll slice it - but who wants to do this?). :cool:

I bought some cheap 50cm antennas, but they where crappy unfortunately:o
When I opened one, it was completely filled with a long metal antenna of fairly thick metal. You'd expect it to work better... but as with antenna's: the bigger they are, the more noise you capture. Bigger is not always better, you just need the right size:)

!gm
24-01-2012, 14:44
arwww, so there's no way predicting the quality of antennas.
Everyone has to test it on its own. :o

By the way, I don't think the antennas, supplied with the RT-N66U are crap, since many people reporting from a great coverage.

ArCan
24-01-2012, 18:52
.. I don't think the antennas, supplied with the RT-N66U are crap ...
Yes, I agree with you.
And by the way the such size of this antenna for ultra high frequency match for collinear antenna.
I hope... We didn't see it inside. :-)

hggomes
31-01-2012, 03:01
What about that ASUS? 20mb/s read / write? Since when?? Not even close...

Impossible 66mhz (or 120mhz => in case of RT-N16 working at 480mhz) doing that over the same CPU arquitecture, the difference between RT-N16 and RT-N66U CPU power its only a few MHZ :(

http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-rt-n66u-dual-band-gigabit-router-review/14666.html

USB Storage Throughput

SAMBA - 107.2 Mbps (READ) = 10mb/s 63.2 Mbps (WRITE) = 6mb/s
FTP - 100 Mbps (READ) = 10mb/s 76.8 Mbps (WRITE) = 7mb/s

WPTE: Take a look at 2.4/5 GHz Wireless Throughput, other disappointment :(

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-rt-n66u-dual-band-gigabit-router-review/14666.html#ixzz1kzvkK97C

!gm
31-01-2012, 12:06
SAMBA - 107.2 Mbps (READ) = 10mb/s 63.2 Mbps (WRITE) = 6mb/s
FTP - 100 Mbps (READ) = 10mb/s 76.8 Mbps (WRITE) = 7mb/s


plz, calculate exact
8 Bit = 1 Byte... ;)

so it's
SAMBA - 107.2 Mbps (READ) = 13.4mb/s 63.2 Mbps (WRITE) = 7.9mb/s
FTP - 100 Mbps (READ) = 12.5mb/s 76.8 Mbps (WRITE) = 9.6mb/s

I agree that this is far from the promised 20mb/s Samba read.. :(
They'll never take a video of those file transfers.

Nevertheless, the measured download transfer-rates match with the info we already got from ASUS Germany:

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f248/router-rt-n66u-und-rt-n76u-vaporware-853441.html#post18065931

wpte
31-01-2012, 13:28
WPTE: Take a look at 2.4/5 GHz Wireless Throughput, other disappointment :(

just sayin':

WiFi: Asus USB-N53 Dual Band USB adapter
:D
Since the Dutch site used an intel 6300agn card (a proper wifi adapter) they have completely different results:)

hggomes
01-02-2012, 14:42
LOL, yeah i know but you know i mean ;) its not 20mb/s :P I completely agree with that, ASUS video will never exist :D


plz, calculate exact
8 Bit = 1 Byte... ;)

so it's
SAMBA - 107.2 Mbps (READ) = 13.4mb/s 63.2 Mbps (WRITE) = 7.9mb/s
FTP - 100 Mbps (READ) = 12.5mb/s 76.8 Mbps (WRITE) = 9.6mb/s

I agree that this is far from the promised 20mb/s Samba read.. :(
They'll never take a video of those file transfers.

Nevertheless, the measured download transfer-rates match with the info we already got from ASUS Germany:

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f248/router-rt-n66u-und-rt-n76u-vaporware-853441.html#post18065931

hggomes
01-02-2012, 14:46
There is no reason for that, 53N its the best networking device according to ASUS and as they say "its wrong thinking that a USB network device is worst than a PCI, or Mini PCI", i don't agree with that cause i have done some testings regarding PCI & USB devices and PCI was always better. But results are really disapointing with 53N, that's reality.


just sayin':

:D
Since the Dutch site used an intel 6300agn card (a proper wifi adapter) they have completely different results:)

hggomes
02-02-2012, 15:13
New ASUS FW version "Add USB performance enhancement into RT-N66U" LOL

I wonder why they have released a USB enhancement LOL, now they will tell it can read/write 25mb/s, not :D

Version 3.1.0.3.90
Description ASUS RT-N66U B1 Firmware version 3.1.0.3.90
Add USB performance enhancement into RT-N66U
File Size
18,38 (MBytes) 2012.02.02 update

wpte
04-02-2012, 01:34
apparently 1 shop in the Netherlands has the rt-n66u in stock...
http://www.redcoon.nl/B333664-Asus-RT-N66U_Routers?refId=tweak
there's also a German version of this store I believe.

208 euro... yeah, no way:D

I expect other stores to have this product next week or so... It's just a matter of time.:)

hggomes
04-02-2012, 01:39
Yeah and the price is a little bit diferent :P

http://www.redcoon.de/B333664-Asus-RT-N66U_Router

wpte
04-02-2012, 02:01
Yeah and the price is a little bit diferent :P

http://www.redcoon.de/B333664-Asus-RT-N66U_Router

dammit!:mad:
It's Germany only tho... no shipping to the Dutchlands:mad:
ah well, I'll get it cheaper here anyway, just a tiny little more wait:)

hggomes
04-02-2012, 02:02
Its still a "heavy" price to pay for a router ;)

wpte
04-02-2012, 13:22
Its still a "heavy" price to pay for a router ;)

naaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh:p
I ordered one:o
should be here in 6 to 8 days :D

hggomes
04-02-2012, 14:26
From .de site? So that means anyone outside the country can buy it?

wpte
04-02-2012, 16:21
From .de site? So that means anyone outside the country can buy it?

nope, 4launch :)
for me it's a local store http://www.4launch.nl/shop/product/117868/-gaming-router-rt-n66u-wlan-450mbit--4p-switch/tweakers
but they send to other countries as well... not sure if that's a good idea since everything is in dutch:D

the one I previously mentioned raised the price of the thing: https://maxict.nl/product/3288267/asus-rt-n66u-n900?btwview=in :(

hggomes
06-02-2012, 16:43
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1443851&mpage=1&print=true

hggomes
07-02-2012, 01:50
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/31687-asus-rt-n66u-dark-knight-dual-band-wireless-n900-gigabit-router-reviewed-part-1

wpte
07-02-2012, 17:29
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/31687-asus-rt-n66u-dark-knight-dual-band-wireless-n900-gigabit-router-reviewed-part-1

mixed throughput results between smallnetbuilder and the dutch site... hmmm:rolleyes:
the tests seem less comprehensive than I expected from smallnetbuilder.

I think the tested 17MB/s write is quite nice tho, especially compared to the E4200V2 (~21MB/s), which has a 1.2GHz cpu:)

hggomes
07-02-2012, 17:30
mixed throughput results between smallnetbuilder and the dutch site... hmmm:rolleyes:
the tests seem less comprehensive than I expected from smallnetbuilder.

I think the tested 17MB/s write is quite nice tho, especially compared to the E4200V2 (~21MB/s), which has a 1.2GHz cpu:)

The problem here is that they used the same "method" than ASUS, copy test from windows explorer ;) What about yours? Im counting on you to do a REAL test :-)

wpte
07-02-2012, 17:53
The problem here is that they used the same "method" than ASUS, copy test from windows explorer ;) What about yours? Im counting on you to do a REAL test :-)

haha, connect to the router via teaming ethernet for a whopping 2Gbit/s speed and use various copy tools?:D
I'm not sure if the rt-n16 firmware will work for the rt-n66u, but otherwise I'll test ipkg samba as well:)

hggomes
07-02-2012, 19:11
Eheheh it should be ok that way, thanks :D

Only testing we will know ;) But im sure soon will be available a "complete" version of this firmware with 5GHz and Guest SSID etc etc. I was suprised with Tomato Shibby FW, it has ALOT of options (even statistics graphics), its really awesome.

Detachable antennas only work at 2.4GHZ right? The 5GHZ antenas are inside right (built in)? You cannot use other antennas with 5GHZ?!?

PS: When will arrive yours? ;)

!gm
07-02-2012, 19:23
I'm not sure if the rt-n16 firmware will work for the rt-n66u

I doubt it wont, unless there are specific modifications done; think of the 5 Ghz radio, we never had before. :o

Am I right, that you'll help lly and theMiron enhancing the 1.9.2.7-rtn fw to support the RT-N66U once you get the device?

For myself I'll buy one as soon as the price has dropped to 120-130 Euro and try to help where I can. :)

hggomes
07-02-2012, 19:25
Price of retailler here will be 127€, street price will be 160-190€ ;)

!gm
07-02-2012, 19:35
I know, I have to wait some more weeks - maybe months, but 150 Euro are to expensive for me...

http://geizhals.at/de/688826

It still isn't available everywhere. :rolleyes:

hggomes
07-02-2012, 19:47
Not only for you ;)

wpte
07-02-2012, 20:07
the site still says 6 to 10 days, but I expect it next week, allthough I hope it will be end this week:D


Am I right, that you'll help lly and theMiron enhancing the 1.9.2.7-rtn fw to support the RT-N66U once you get the device?

Yes, if they'd need some testers I'm always up for that sort of stuff:)

wpte
09-02-2012, 16:29
guess what I picked up?:D

system type : Broadcom BCM5300 chip rev 1 pkg 0
processor : 0
cpu model : MIPS 74K V4.9
BogoMIPS : 299.82
wait instruction : no
microsecond timers : yes
tlb_entries : 64
extra interrupt vector : no
hardware watchpoint : yes
ASEs implemented : mips16 dsp
shadow register sets : 1
VCED exceptions : not available
VCEI exceptions : not available

unaligned_instructions : 12
dcache hits : 2147483648
dcache misses : 3883383797
icache hits : 2147483648
icache misses : 1087042855
instructions : 2147483648

rt-n16 firmware doesn't run so far tho... so I'm playing around a bit.
First impression: it feels like a solid router, not lightweight and strong plastic:)

!gm
09-02-2012, 16:49
:D:D:D:D:D wuuuuhuuuu :D:D:D:D PARTY

hggomes
09-02-2012, 17:56
We want a overclock > 1GHZ loooooooool :P

wpte
09-02-2012, 20:51
ok, I did some benchmarks with a proper usb harddrive. On a pc it can go 40MB/s:)
The filesystem I used was EXT3:cool:
first the intel nas benchmark:
http://i40.tinypic.com/10zqmat.jpg

and some fily copy benchmarks:
http://i43.tinypic.com/4uz2o2.jpg
I took the highest stable speed from a network tool, not the software itself. With highest stable I mean the same value for over 10 seconds... it tends to go up and down a lot, not a big difference, just very frequently:D

I noticed that samba has some low cpu usage on the rt-n66u... asus made some "optimal" settings it seems?:D
smb.cfg:

[global]
workgroup = MSHOME
netbios name = RT-N66U
server string = RT-N66U
unix charset = UTF8
display charset = UTF8
log file = /var/log.samba
log level = 0
max log size = 5
security = SHARE
guest only = yes
encrypt passwords = yes
pam password change = no
null passwords = yes
force directory mode = 0777
force create mode = 0777
max connections = 5
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_KEEPALIVE SO_RCVBUF=32768 SO_SNDBUF=32768
obey pam restrictions = no
use spne go = no
client use spnego = no
disable spoolss = yes
host msdfs = no
strict allocate = No
bind interfaces only = yes
interfaces = lo br0
use sendfile = yes
map archive = no
map hidden = no
map read only = no
map system = no
store dos attributes = yes
dos filemode = yes
dos filetimes = yes
dos filetime resolution = yes
[backup]
comment = WD 5000AAJ External's backup
path = /tmp/mnt/backup
writeable = yes

I don't really like those socket options imho... they usually slow stuff down on the rt-n16 for me.
edit: socket options off make no difference...


Wireless... well I didn't really test it properly yet. But since I'm king of the wifi hill in my neighborhood with my fancy 5GHz network, I can get some pretty nice speeds:D
I'm easily able to get over 70Mbit/s throughput, but my laptops cpu is the limiting factor (atom). as soon as I do something like that it will max out a core:D
pings are also really good on wifi: ~1.8ms very stable as well.

wpte
09-02-2012, 21:33
dd-wrt seems to have a build ready: ftp://dd-wrt.com/others/eko/BrainSlayer-V24-preSP2/2011/12-20-11-r18024/broadcom_K26/dd-wrt.v24-18024_NEWD-2_K2.6_big_RT-N66U.trx
beta still...
not sure If I'd want to check that out:p

wpte
10-02-2012, 21:23
I decided to install the download master on a harddisk, and guess what?
I discovered (but I guess someone else must have seen this as well) that asus uses ipkg to install this app.
I took a quick look at the ipkg.conf, and even a bigger suprise :D

#Uncomment the following line for native packages feed (if any)
src/gz optware.oleg http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/oleg/cross/stable
src/gz optware.asus http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/wireless/ASUSWRT
dest /opt/ /
#option verbose-wget


by default they use the ipkg repository of the oleg packages:D
Seems like asus favours oleg?:)

I played around with it a bit, but it doesn't work as well as on oleg:(
I installed samba35 instead of the build in samba and managed to add another 2MB/s on the windows 7 transfer speeds!:)

hggomes
10-02-2012, 22:58
This is weird:

Version 3.1.0.3.90
Description The GPL (source code) of ASUS RT-N66U B1 for firmware version 3.1.0.3.90
File Size
298,6 (MBytes) 2012.02.02 update

Version 3.0.0.3.90
Description The GPL (source code) of ASUS RT-N66U B1 for firmware version 3.0.0.3.90
File Size
298,6 (MBytes) 2012.01.16 update

Version 3.0.0.3.72
Description ASUS RT-N66U B1 GPL for Firmware version 3.0.0.3.72
File Size
340 (MBytes) 2011.12.22 update

42MB less is a lot !?!?!?!?

wpte
12-02-2012, 00:54
I tried tomato today... hmm... imho it's a bit like dd-wrt, not my style at least.:)
I flashed back to the stock firmware in the end:D

thE_29
20-02-2012, 10:20
Where did you buy the router?!

hggomes
20-02-2012, 11:43
http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=244652&postcount=175

Mektub
26-02-2012, 02:00
I decided to install the download master on a harddisk, and guess what?
I discovered (but I guess someone else must have seen this as well) that asus uses ipkg to install this app.
I took a quick look at the ipkg.conf, and even a bigger suprise :D


by default they use the ipkg repository of the oleg packages:D
Seems like asus favours oleg?:)

I played around with it a bit, but it doesn't work as well as on oleg:(
I installed samba35 instead of the build in samba and managed to add another 2MB/s on the windows 7 transfer speeds!:)

I am using Firmware Version:3.0.0.3.102 on the ASUS RT-N66U, and at first ipkg seemed to work well, I could install openssh, bash and a couple of other things.

But as soon as I rebooted some changes disappeared which was to be expected since I have not yet found how to save volatile changes.

Did you make some progress on the matter or found more information on it ?

Mektub

hggomes
26-02-2012, 12:53
You can try use flashfs if available on that fw, or wait for TheMiron & lly fw since i'm not sure that other fws can use it ;)

Mektub
26-02-2012, 15:05
You can try use flashfs if available on that fw, or wait for TheMiron & lly fw since i'm not sure that other fws can use it ;)

Thanks, hggomes. No flashfs.

You are right, I will wait.

Mektub

wpte
26-02-2012, 15:43
But as soon as I rebooted some changes disappeared which was to be expected since I have not yet found how to save volatile changes.

I had the same problem, no idea how to fix it.
the asus firmware is still quite a bit locked down, and requires different rights for some files.

hggomes
26-02-2012, 16:54
That's really bad news, ASUS should be shame of such anoying FW problems from the beginning and we don't know how much more will last, it's riddiculous that 3rd party FWs work better / more stable than the official ASUS FW.

Only the HW part its good here, what a disapointment ASUS software development, specially from a "High End" product support, 150€ its alot for a router with so much problems :(

If we take a look in the past we can see the RT-N56U example, that at this current date continues with random WAN disconnects and other problems never solved by ASUS so far, it was a 3rd party FW from Padavan that fixed it and others more. I'm afraid thats the same destiny of RT-N66U development will be, a real fiasco. :eek:

wpte
26-02-2012, 17:52
That's really bad news, ASUS should be shame of such anoying FW problems from the beginning and we don't know how much more will last, it's riddiculous that 3rd party FWs work better / more stable than the official ASUS FW.

Only the HW part its good here, what a disapointment ASUS software development, specially from a "High End" product support, 150€ its alot for a router with so much problems :(

If we take a look in the past we can see the RT-N56U example, that at this current date continues with random WAN disconnects and other problems never solved by ASUS so far, it was a 3rd party FW from Padavan that fixed it and others more. I'm afraid thats the same destiny of RT-N66U development will be, a real fiasco. :eek:

well it runs stable mr gomes :p
it's just that it's locked down. also the mounting of the opt partition is not like in oleg or any other wrt firmware.
instead of using a partition asus uses a folder on the drive as mountpoint. since this firmware is ment for people that don't use alternative firmwares it is the correct choice, since they won't know how to make partitions etc.
it's the easiest, and a sufficient solution for this group of people.

the firmware is still a bit beta-ish, but still, most of it works. as an engineer you can test a lot, but not everything. real feedback comes in as soon as a product is released. and you can see asus is working on it.

so I really do have to defend asus here on this: the firmware is quite allright, and is perfect for the market (people) the firmware was designed for.
so far it hasn't crashed, or anything, so I'm happy with it so far:D

hggomes
26-02-2012, 18:15
Yeah mister WPTE ;) I'm talking based on previous routers like RT-N56U, i just hope that things could be better... But i dont really know if that will happen ;)

Starting from the problems on the first RT-N66U units... It tells too much :eek:

thE_29
27-02-2012, 11:19
Are there any alternative firmwares out for the router?

hggomes
27-02-2012, 20:59
Here you have:

http://tomato.groov.pl/index.php?dir=K26RT-N%2Fbuild5x-085V-EN%2FRT-N66U

hggomes
27-02-2012, 21:00
Interesting, tomato-K26USB-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-085V-AIO.trx FW :P

shantanugoel
28-02-2012, 09:56
Interesting, tomato-K26USB-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-085V-AIO.trx FW :P

Awesome.. btw how much NVRAM are you left with after installing this?

wpte
28-02-2012, 10:46
Awesome.. btw how much NVRAM are you left with after installing this?

not a lot.... in fact you have to reset the entire nvram when you installed it, because initially you don't have enough room.
tomato and dd-wrt require too much nvram it seems:)

shantanugoel
28-02-2012, 11:27
not a lot.... in fact you have to reset the entire nvram when you installed it, because initially you don't have enough room.
tomato and dd-wrt require too much nvram it seems:)

Thanks. I read on tomato forums though that victek builds have a method which increases the nvram space available on some routers (He says that total available is 128k but only 32k is mapped and his builds can auto detect and change mapping or something. His RT-n16 build already can change this to 60k.) Hope this change comes to all tomato builds and can be used for rt-n66u as well.

thE_29
28-02-2012, 15:32
Any progress-updates for the http://code.google.com/p/wl500g/ firmware on the N66U?

lly
28-02-2012, 16:48
Any progress-updates for the http://code.google.com/p/wl500g/ firmware on the N66U?
Not yet. It requires Broadcom SDK newer than 5.100, currently we use 5.60.

shantanugoel
28-02-2012, 16:50
Thanks. I read on tomato forums though that victek builds have a method which increases the nvram space available on some routers (He says that total available is 128k but only 32k is mapped and his builds can auto detect and change mapping or something. His RT-n16 build already can change this to 60k.) Hope this change comes to all tomato builds and can be used for rt-n66u as well.

quoted for the new page. Also it seems that tomato uses ddwrt optware feed. Does anyone know if that is fully compatible with tomato? Waiting for the oleg/lly/themiron etc's work to start on n66u so that it can be as awesome as my current wl500w :)

hggomes
28-02-2012, 17:58
Not yet. It requires Broadcom SDK newer than 5.100, currently we use 5.60.

What SDK version is Tomato FW running? It seems stable so far, couldn't you use they're repository / drivers? It's being a little bit painful having the router and not the FW :P

Thanks ;)

lly
28-02-2012, 18:22
What SDK version is Tomato FW running?
5.100.138, but it is not latest SDK


It seems stable so far, couldn't you use they're repository / drivers? It's being a little bit painful having the router and not the FW :P
Unfortunately, not. Take a look at Toastman post - DRIVER FOR THE RT-N16 (http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/wireless-driver-issues-settings-for-n-speeds.36109/page-13#post-179689)

Additionally, neither theMIROn, nor me, haven't RT-N66U for experiments yet.

hggomes
28-02-2012, 18:57
Ok, we will have to wait ;)

RT-N66U is available now worldwide, almost every store have it, prices go from 140€ to 220€ ;)

PS: DD-WRT have access to Broadcom SDK right? Why they have and others don't?

lly
28-02-2012, 19:06
PS: DD-WRT have access to Broadcom SDK right? Why they have and others don't?
Yes. Only I know - they(DD-WRT) are commercial structure and sign NDA with some Broadcom licensor.

Both us & Tomato are non-profit community and Broadcom never want to speak with private person.

hggomes
28-02-2012, 19:32
So in that case how would this be solved? Wait for what or for who? How the actual 5.60 was available to you? And 5.100 to tomato? Aren't drivers available on OpenSource FW available on ASUS site? Even it's not 100% stable i think it was a good idea releasing your FW like Tomato did, it's better than nothing...

!gm
28-02-2012, 19:36
they are using the driver from netgear


This driver was extracted out of the GPL source package for NETGEAR WNDR4500

It contains the Broadcom wireless driver 5.100.138
This driver includes firmware version 666.2

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GPL/WNDR4500-V1.0.0.40_1.0.10_src.tar.zip
WNDR4500-V1.0.0.40_1.0.10_src/src/wl

hggomes
28-02-2012, 19:44
Thanks, i've seen that's the oldest version:


For Firmware Version 1.0.0.40, 1.0.0.50, 1.0.0.58, 1.0.0.70, 1.0.0.103

This is last version, maybe drivers are more recent:

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GPL/WNDR4500-V1.0.0.103_1.0.21_src.tar.zip

What's New in Release 5.110.9?
Based on driver version 5.100.107
CFE: Add a new clock combination : 530, 212, 106
CLM update for 3x3 - Create US/61 based on US/53 power levels
Rename some local variables to comply with shadow compiler warnings


Netgear creation date: 02.02.2012
Asus creation date: 10.02.2012

wl_ap.o
wl_apsta.o
wl_sta.o


Anyone knows if ASUS opensource contains drivers as well? I checked and yes it has drivers, so why not use them? If they're used on stock FW...

!gm
28-02-2012, 21:16
Based on driver version 5.100.107


^we talked about 5.100.138, i think thats more recent...

read toastmans post that a netgear driver may not suit the rt-n66u, but tomato on the rt-n66u seems to be stable ^so it's worth a try?

hggomes
28-02-2012, 22:17
I would say YES :P

lly
29-02-2012, 07:22
So in that case how would this be solved? Wait for what or for who?
We are awaiting for ASUS.

How the actual 5.60 was available to you?
From ASUS.

And 5.100 to tomato?
I don't know. Unfortunately, main TomatoUSB developer teddy_bear too busy for last months :(

Even it's not 100% stable i think it was a good idea releasing your FW like Tomato did, it's better than nothing...
Sorry, SDK upgrade requires too much efforts. We simply has no time to do it twice.

Last SDK is 5.110. Whats New available to SDK subscribers(ASUS, Netgear, etc.) only.

theMIROn
29-02-2012, 09:56
yep, true.


Sorry, SDK upgrade requires too much efforts. We simply has no time to do it twice.
btw, it means it's planned, but not on today's lunch time.

!gm
29-02-2012, 13:42
as asus is is using community repo (http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=244944&postcount=192) they are obligated to share the sdk

^np miron,lly, we'll wait

hggomes
29-02-2012, 13:56
Thank you both for answers ;)

wpte
29-02-2012, 18:32
as asus is is using community repo (http://wl500g.info/showpost.php?p=244944&postcount=192) they are obligated to share the sdk

yeah tell that all the other thousands of companies :D
but the SDK is not gpl'd right? which would mean they don't have to share that part? all the patches for linux etc are available in the archives so far.
But I guess broadcom is still not completely opensource:p

hggomes
01-03-2012, 12:16
.102 got new drivers:


eth0: Broadcom BCM47XX 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet Controller 5.100.138.20
PCI: Enabling device 0000:01:01.0 (0000 -> 0002)
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:01:01.0 to 64
eth1: Broadcom BCM4331 802.11 Wireless Controller 5.100.138.20
PCI: Enabling device 0000:02:01.0 (0000 -> 0002)
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:01.0 to 64
eth2: Broadcom BCM4331 802.11 Wireless Controller 5.100.138.20

PS: Why i cannot notice almost any difference from coverage on WL-500GP vs RT-N16 vs RT-N66U?

!gm
01-03-2012, 15:16
you'll notice a 5 Ghz coverage :D

beside that - don't you get a stronger signal in "bad" locations?

theMIROn
01-03-2012, 16:18
.102 got new drivers:
take a look at memory consumption.
lsmod | grep wl

ArCan
01-03-2012, 16:24
take a look at memory consumption.
lsmod | grep wl

I did it on RT-N66U with Toastman f/w and I got

wl 2546736 0
igs 13616 1 wl
emf 17376 2 wl,igs

theMIROn
01-03-2012, 16:43
I did it on RT-N66U with Toastman f/w and I got
wl 2546736 0

I mean it..
RT-N10 16Mb doesn't like overbloated 2,5Mb driver :)

wpte
01-03-2012, 16:44
wl 2546736 0
igs 13616 1 wl
emf 17376 2 wl,igs

for asus fw 3.1.0.3.90 it is:

wl 2772464 0
igs 17872 1 wl
emf 22688 2 wl,igs

it does differ quite a bit:p

and oleg on rt-n16:

wl 1619136 0
igs 17552 1 wl
emf 21248 2 wl,igs

theMIROn has a good point :p

hggomes
01-03-2012, 17:08
you'll notice a 5 Ghz coverage :D

beside that - don't you get a stronger signal in "bad" locations?

Only a little in 2.4GHZ, didn't tested at 5GHZ yet.

wpte
01-03-2012, 19:19
Only a little in 2.4GHZ, didn't tested at 5GHZ yet.

well, to say it the non technical way:
where the rt-n16 gives me 1 bar at the weakest spot in the house, the rt-n66u gives my 3 more: 4 out of 5:D
with 2.4 and dual band clients:)

hggomes
01-03-2012, 20:18
I guess this router is not OK, waiting another to compare it. FTP could not pass 4mb/s... (vsftpd process is not used more than 10-20%)

The sensation i have here is that CPU is throttling, maybe heatsink is not mouted correctly, i really don't know...

Use InSSIder to see signal strenght please, bars are not so fidedign ;)


Thanks

wpte
01-03-2012, 22:03
Use InSSIder to see signal strenght please, bars are not so fidedign ;)

nah that's the same thing mate :p
I'll check with channalyzer:cool:

hggomes
01-03-2012, 22:05
Awesome, i found why FTP transfer rate was limited to 4mb/s, since im using a laptop with a 100MBIT NIC i knew perfectly that never could copy more than 10-11mb/s, the problem here was that samba could achieve that speed (10-11mb/s) but vsftpd couldn't, it was limited to 4mb/s, once i tested on a gigabit NIC i was able to copy 18mb/s. ;)

Don't know why but vsftpd does not achieve maximum of 100MBIT transfer rate, if anyone try could assist to this novel ;)

!gm
02-03-2012, 03:50
active or passive transfer?

hggomes
02-03-2012, 13:31
active or passive transfer?

Both, Active or Passive it's the same problem, the maximum that i was able to copy this way was 4.6mb/s ;)

If possible try it and give me some feedback :P

Tks

ArCan
03-03-2012, 02:29
Both, Active or Passive it's the same problem, the maximum that i was able to copy this way was 4.6mb/s ;)

If possible try it and give me some feedback :P

Tks

I use WiFi between my router and NetworkMediaTank for looking movie from NAS connected to router.
I have around 4 Mb/s with SAMBA and 6.5 Mb/s with NFS(TCP).
The condition in air is good and I have same results on both bands and with 20/40MHz of the wide.
I don't know why I can't get the better speed.
I can see 300 mbit/s and almost high level of signal.
But never see the speed higher that 6.5 Mb/s

My RT-N66U with Toastman f/w
and I'm using E2000 like bridge with Tomato connected to NMT via ethernet 100 full duplex
and I think I should have the speed close by 9-10 Mb/s... :-(

I never use RT-N66U with stock firmware and may be I will try it for to clear the situation.

hggomes
03-03-2012, 04:01
It will happen the same, its not FW issue, my tests were via cable not wireless ;)

wpte
03-03-2012, 18:50
I measured the wifi strenght with a nice test setup:

Only 1 router turned on at a time
Download a file via wifi from a pc
Put the wifi client very far away :p (about 7m trough 3 walls) so hardly any signal is captured from the client
Set the Wi-Spy up at 2 meters distance from the router


Le RT-N16 with oleg @ a whopping 400mW:eek:
http://i40.tinypic.com/9vjyio.jpg

Le RT-N66u with asus fw 3.1.0.3.90 @ only 40mW:cool:
http://i44.tinypic.com/t4y52v.jpg

Apart from the fact those mW don't really do much, the rt-n66u has about 5dBm more strenght:D
btw, I drew a yellow line trough the average line measured by the software... since that line is near to invisible in the scaled down version of the image I drew the yellow line.
so the yellow line is about the average +-1 dBm I guess :)

ArCan
03-03-2012, 19:10
Hi!
Somebody know how good Tomato support Gbit WAN and LAN with RT-N66U?
Did anybody the test of speed WAN or LAN with Tomato on RT-N66U?
Thank you.

P.S. I can't to find the reason why I can't to get the speed higher 10 Mb/s...
I'm not proffessional or expirienced user and looking for my mistakes with
configuration. ->
NAS TS-119P+ ----- ETHERNET ------- RT-N66U -------- WiFi ---------- 2 PC and 3 laptops
NAS and Router have GigaBit Ethernet connections.
But even I try downlad any file from NAS and use all 5 computers via WiFi at ones
THE SPEED BETWEEN NAS AND ROUTER NOT HIGHER THAN 10 MB/S
But each of PC's or Laptops can do it with 3-6 MB/s or sum of all downloads should be higher and like I count about 20 MB/S !
I'm looking for bottleneck in my configuration.

hggomes
04-03-2012, 15:29
Gonna do some testing ;)

wpte
05-03-2012, 19:25
Gonna do some testing ;)

You don't need to!
JJ did another test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKevpqBqUU0#!
:D
and yet again he says "lets go ahead" a lot:o:p

hggomes
05-03-2012, 19:42
Yeah yeah but those tests/performances are with an External Antena ASUS EA-N66 (costs almost the same as router) ;)

I would like to see the USB performance over 20MB/s read / write loooooool

I have comment the 3rd time on they're mural LOL

"Let's go ahead" then :D

ArCan
06-03-2012, 13:33
I would like to see the USB performance over 20MB/s read / write loooooool
"Let's go ahead" then :D

And what about ETHERNET performance like in my configuration?
What do you think about GIGABIT ETHERNET to 450mbps WiFI?

Thank you.

P.S. I never use external HDD with USB connection with router, because I have NAS with gigabit ethernet.
Unfortunately nobody give me the clear information about the own results of tests.
Only bla-bla-bla and information from Google from other same theoretics :-)

hggomes
06-03-2012, 13:53
Yeah tomato is working fine, WAN to LAN and LAN to LAN tests are > 700MBps, so that shouldn't be a factor.

In your specific case, speed could be limited by many factors:

1- QoS enabled (you should disable it)
2- Distance of computers to the AP (RT-N66U)
Are you at 2.4 or 5GHZ? What are the computers wireless NICs?
Are you wireless connected at what speed? 54? 150? 300? 450?
3- Cat6 ethernet cable installed? (Between RT-N66U and TS-119P+)
I believe it could be the problem, some Cat5 cables could connect at 1GBIT but performance its a mess. I had several problems with that, check your cable and replace it. Even if your cable is a Cat6 try a different one.
4- You should do the same tests via cable, computer (cable cat6) => RT-N66U => nas (cable cat6), that way you could know the maximum speed of your network.
You should have more than 50mb/s, then wireless could reach normal speeds. Your wireless speeds are being limited by the cable, for sure.

PS: RT-N66U maximum USB transfer rate reached by me was 17-18MB/s (read/write) in FTP and 15-16MB/s in Samba. It's not brilliant but its OK for a router, don't expect more than that from this hardware, i never thought it could reach those speeds considering the specs.

theMIROn
06-03-2012, 16:38
PS: RT-N66U maximum reached by me was 17-18MB/s (read/write) in FTP and 15-16MB/s in Samba. It's not brilliant but its OK for a router, don't expect more than that from this hardware, i never thought it could reach those speeds considering the specs.

probably you should enable jumboframes
main issue - MTU on lan interface, which is ok for bcm57xx ethernet driver (unlike et driver used in older, like RT-N16/N15U), but it's in bridge with wireless interface which can't do MTU > 1500
~year ago I got ~250Mbps with RT-N16 ftp without removed wireless and patched et driver

hggomes
06-03-2012, 16:42
Hi, that was the USB transfer rate, i corrected to "USB transfer rate" lol :D Jumbo frames are enabled and they not affect the limited USB transfer rate...

Any news? Does lly has the RT-N66U already?

wpte
06-03-2012, 17:23
3- Cat6 ethernet cable installed? (Between RT-N66U and TS-119P+)

cat5 is also good enough for gigabit, although some shops sell bad cat5 cables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair#Most_common_twisted-pair_cables
I prefer cat5e cables for gigabit though... but when the cable is long I'll take cat6:)

Also I think the wireless transfer speed depends a whole lot on your client wifi adapter. I had a very shitty one in my laptop that couldn't even stream a mp3 file most of the time, yet it was branded as 802.11n, and it had a broadcom chip:D

hggomes
06-03-2012, 17:33
Personally I have had the chance to test CAT5 and CAT6 cables and these lasts are better. I tested 5 different CAT5 cables and none could achieve CAT6 speeds, not to mention that 3 of them could not do even do 100MBIT. Cat6 cables have higher bandwidth, so they are recommended to avoid problems on gigabit connections. On this right moment im connected with a CAT5(E) and Gigabit connection works fine, but i loose 6mb/s comparing with CAT6 cable.

We are not inside the CAT5 cables, so no one knows if it is a "good" or a "bad" cable, it's more safe buying CAT6, for sure you won't have any problems.

Now about the wireless nic N you talked, what model is? That's really weird, the best speeds that i could get was with Intel and Broadcom chips :eek:

wpte
06-03-2012, 17:46
Personally I have had the chance to test CAT5 and CAT6 cables and these lasts are better. I tested 5 different CAT5 cables and none could achieve CAT6 speeds, not to mention that 3 of them could not do even do 100MBIT. Cat6 cables have higher bandwidth, so they are recommended to avoid problems on gigabit connections.

We are not inside the CAT5 cables, so no one knows if it is a "good" or a "bad" cable, it's more safe buying CAT6, for sure you won't have any problems.

Now about the wireless nic N you talked, what model is? That's really weird, the best speeds that i could get was with Intel and Broadcom chips :eek:

I know, as I said: bad cables:D
I have cat5e cables when they're up to 3meter, easily max out gigabit, but longer than that I have cat6;)
all my cables are belkin btw. dunno, I usually trust belkin with cable stuff, other things... not that much :p

I had this one: http://www.azurewave.com/product_AW-NB047_1.asp
just horrible, absolutely horrible
now I have this beast: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/centrino-ultimate-n-6300.html easily >100mbit/s on the rt-n66u for actual transfer speeds:D

hggomes
06-03-2012, 17:52
;)

Are you sure Azurewave uses Broadcom chip? LOL
I have a Broadcom N (BCM4331 on chip) and a Intel 6300 N and my results are pretty the same.

theMIROn
06-03-2012, 18:29
Hi, that was the USB transfer rate, i corrected to "USB transfer rate" lol :D Jumbo frames are enabled and they not affect the limited USB transfer rate...
yep, because router's lan mtu is still 1500.


Any news? Does lly has the RT-N66U already?We have one possible contributor in Moscow, but no news so far

about wireless transfer speed,
just got 150Mbps up/down on RT-N16 with intel 5300 and latest svn

wpte
06-03-2012, 18:46
just got 1500Mbps up/down on RT-N16 with intel 5300 and latest svn

I hope you mean 150Mpbs:p
but yeah, those intel cards are awesome:)

hggomes
06-03-2012, 19:18
ASUS reply to my email:

"Hello Hugo,

I apologize for the issues you are having with this router. Are you currently using .102 firmware? There was an issue when updating from .84 to .102 which is why firmware 102 was pulled from the website. However, 106 will be coming out within 2 days. I don’t believe 84 was officially released anyway so unless someone provide you with firmware .84 then this issue doesn’t pertain to you. Please give 106 a try when it is release on Wednesday or Thursday and let us know if you still experience issues.

Best Regards,
Mason"

theMIROn
06-03-2012, 22:52
I hope you mean 150Mpbs:p
but yeah, those intel cards are awesome:)

yep, 150 sure

ArCan
07-03-2012, 01:25
Yeah tomato is working fine, WAN to LAN and LAN to LAN tests are > 700MBps, so that shouldn't be a factor.

In your specific case, speed could be limited by many factors:

1- QoS enabled (you should disable it)
2- Distance of computers to the AP (RT-N66U)
Are you at 2.4 or 5GHZ? What are the computers wireless NICs?
Are you wireless connected at what speed? 54? 150? 300? 450?
3- Cat6 ethernet cable installed? (Between RT-N66U and TS-119P+)
I believe it could be the problem, some Cat5 cables could connect at 1GBIT but performance its a mess. I had several problems with that, check your cable and replace it. Even if your cable is a Cat6 try a different one.
4- You should do the same tests via cable, computer (cable cat6) => RT-N66U => nas (cable cat6), that way you could know the maximum speed of your network.
You should have more than 50mb/s, then wireless could reach normal speeds. Your wireless speeds are being limited by the cable, for sure.

PS: RT-N66U maximum USB transfer rate reached by me was 17-18MB/s (read/write) in FTP and 15-16MB/s in Samba. It's not brilliant but its OK for a router, don't expect more than that from this hardware, i never thought it could reach those speeds considering the specs.

Step by step I will check each chain of my configuration.
I really appreciate the detailed advice. Thanks a lot.

Omega
10-03-2012, 15:11
New firmware Asus RT-N66U_B1_3.0.0.3.108

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/wireless/RT-N66U_B1/FW_RT_N66U_B1_3003108.zip (ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/wireless/RT-N66U_B1/FW_RT_N66U_B1_3003108.zip)

ASUS RT-N66U B1 Firmware Version 3.0.0.3.108 File Size 18,78 (MBytes) 2012.03.09 update

hggomes
12-03-2012, 13:05
From what i can see ASUS is not able to fix this router problems and new FWs bring new issues, 3rd party FWs are the way to go...

If we take a look on RT-N56U it was more than a year with WAN disconnects and i really don't know if its already fixed nowdays, i have send several emails with all kind of issues on different FWs versions to ASUS, if anyone has issues with this unit please report it to: networking_support@asus.com

This will help alot so that this unit work better with original firmware.

hggomes
13-03-2012, 18:13
"During the testing speed performance external hard drive, we are faced with another problem - if the NIC test PC technology enabled Jumbo Frames, the speed of writing to disk is significantly reduced."

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ixbt.com%2Fcomm%2Fasus-rt-n66u-part1.shtml

theMIROn
13-03-2012, 19:46
"During the testing speed performance external hard drive, we are faced with another problem - if the NIC test PC technology enabled Jumbo Frames, the speed of writing to disk is significantly reduced"

jumboframes are just big outgoing packets with MTU > 1500. since wireless interface, bridged with lan ethernet are bridged, router can't receive such oversized frames. so, client OS should negotiate client-router mtu properly.
so, in general, jumbo frames are useful for client-client networking only, but not client-router, especially if there's no 1Gbps upstream link.

hggomes
13-03-2012, 20:26
That's it ;) Prognostics about fw? :p

Merci

thE_29
15-03-2012, 14:23
As my router is coming tomorrow, which is the best alternative firmware currently?!

Is it tomato USB? And has that good ipkg/optware support?!

hggomes
15-03-2012, 16:35
Yes and yes ;)

http://tomato.groov.pl/index.php?dir=K26RT-N%2Fbuild5x-087V-EN%2FRT-N66U

I'm using it so far and it's ok, but i will change it once "Oleg" (TheMiron / lly) is ready ;)

Tamadite
16-03-2012, 01:34
@ArCan: I also have a QNAP NAS. You should firstly check the transfer speed of the NAS when it is directly connected to the PC via Ethernet. Then you will know the limits of your NAS. Be sure you will not get Gbit speed.

hggomes
16-03-2012, 17:01
These are currently the drivers available on last different FW versions:

ASUS Firmware v3.0.0.3.112 - Wireless Controller 5.100.138.20
Tomato Shibby 1.28.0000 v092V AIO - Wireless Controller 5.100.138.9
Tomato Toastman v1.28.0694.2 - Wireless Controller 5.100.138.9
DD-WRT v24 Build 18702 NEWD 2 K2.6 BIG - Wireless Controller 5.100.138.9

thE_29
16-03-2012, 22:12
So today i got my Asus RT-N66U and I wonder HOW TO OPEN IT?!

Or is there no micro-SD Slot on the platine?!

hggomes
16-03-2012, 22:33
You need to open the unit and remove the screws. Your warranty will void if you damage sticker.

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/31687-asus-rt-n66u-dark-knight-dual-band-wireless-n900-gigabit-router-reviewed

thE_29
17-03-2012, 14:50
Yeah, but how to open it?! I dont see any screws..

And is the micro SD Slot accessable via tomato, because in the listed article it is said, that the sd-slot has no function, yet...

hggomes
17-03-2012, 14:56
You need to remove the 4 rubbers underneath and yes tomato is working with SD-Slot, try it and you will see it :P